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Post by erebus on Sept 22, 2007 13:53:18 GMT -5
Police Brutality. us.video.aol.com/player/launcher?ar=us_en_video_748x541_full&mode=1&pmmsid=1972055I don't know how to embed vids, so just copy and paste the link. First and foremost, I quote the United States Constitution. Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. How can John Kerry allow students to ask him questions, then have police arrest or remove a student for asking valid questions that "make him look bad?" Someone elaborate that to me, because as far as I know, the only criminals there that should be arrested or lose their jobs are those police or security guards. What gives them the right to arrest or taser a citizen of the United States of America for asking questions at a political rally for a left-wing democrap? The students were given three questions and three minutes of time for Kerry to answer questions. Rather ... interesting ... considering that if he has nothing to hide, why wouldn't he be able to answer the students questions? Yes, some were obnoxious, and he was obviously not a Kerry advocate, but because you go over your time alloted to ask questions, it's a taserable offense? It's a sad day in paradise when college students are tasered and arrested on campus at political rallies. If thats what America is about, then why in the world would I be proud to be an American? Politics are ruining this country. Democrats and Republicans wage wars of propoganda and the media lies to the people every day. We're so desensitized that we hear about murders in our very communities then go back to our daily activities. Fifty years ago, if someone died in Snellville, there would have been a community outpouring and everyone would have been heartbroken. Now, we get kids shot in the head by gang violence and drugs and who cares? Just another dead black kid, right? But what happens when it is one of us, or one of our friends? Imagine the outrage, pain, confusion. But I'm digressing. I want to be a United States Marine. It will be my daily job to protect you, your families, your loved ones, and the corrupt government which I and thousands of others will serve on a daily basis. Despite my beliefs about American Government and the morals of those who run it, I will still serve my country. But if all I am doing is delaying the inevitable decay of the country, and the slow but steady necrosis that will leave us in the grip of civil war, racial tension, and power stuggles between the rich and gluttonous, why bother? The video disgusts me. The situation disgusts me. Politics disgust me. You might ask me "If you care so much, why not get involved?" I am involved. I write letters to Congressmen, I forward emails to stop amnesty bills and other things I feel detrimental to the United States of America. When I get out of the Marine Corps, I pray to God I will have enough standing and respect to get involved in real politics. Someone has to save this country, and it only takes one voice to start a revolution. What will they say, then, when it's ten thousand voices? Ten million? I love my country. I don't agree with some things our government does, or stands for, but I am a patriot, and I will fight and die for the freedoms and liberties I enjoy. My question, then, is how do I fight an enemy that is within my country? An enemy that is a critical foundation of my country? There are hundreds of organizations destroying America. MoveOn.org. NAACP. The Amnesty Cities near the Mexico Border. I pray that some day, you will all have the insight to see that every vote helps. Write letters. Be involved. Save our country from this descent into what will someday become a land of the rich, and forgive me, but it is true... the rich, white elite. You are all the future. Remember that.
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Post by afr on Sept 22, 2007 17:46:50 GMT -5
There is a part of this story that has yet to be addressed
You may not like to hear this, but the guy was resisting arrest
he may not have done anything warrant of being ejected... but he was verbally attacking police and resisting arrest. Shoving a cop then putting your hands in the air doesn't erase the fact that you just pushed a cop. The man could have left peacefully, but he chose to fight, and thus forced police to resort to the measures they took... whether or not he was a mass murder or serial rapist... they would have done the same thing because he resisted arrest. The means of his ejection was wrong, I don't disagree with you there... he asked a question... there is no law against asking a question... I'm going to pull a reason out of my ass that doesn't involve politics... he was ejected because the security must have thought that his actions were putting in danger the other patrons. I'm not protecting the people who flagged him to be thrown out, i am trying to protect the security guards who will probably all be fired because they all were doing their job. There was no malice in tasering the kid... he refused to go peacefully and probably wouldn't have even went to jail... He was even warned that he would be tasered... It was either taser him or beat him with a billy club until he submitted... and that would have been a lot bloodier... either way these security guards will most likely be singled out and labeled as the "pinnacle of police brutality of this decade" This is not the case, the cop fuck head that beat that skater boy and girl early this summer is the pinnacle of police brutality of this decade... if the man just went peacefully... it all could have been avoided. Twenty seconds into the video he is shoving the guards. This is a horrible breach of our rights... this is NOT police brutality which everyone is calling it... Fuck Kerry... just don't throw these cops under the bus too.
(I know what you are going to say... there was another group of people who were just following orders. They were called Nazis... well, these guys aren't mass murdering the Jewish people... don't bring that into play. Everything they did was proceedure... and kosher... Argue the political travesty all you want though... because it is.)
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 22, 2007 19:28:27 GMT -5
Excuse me? Police brutality?! I saw a kid who refused arrest, assulted a police officer/security guard. He was warned. Harshly, but warned. Perhaps he shouldn't have been pulled out for the question, but you know what, maybe the guards thought it was for the best.
And here comes Logical Kayla.
As for our rights, how is police brutality even involving our rights?! How is being a marine going to involve our rights? Being a marine means protecting our country, not our rights because no one but people in our own country has ever threatened our rights. This topic doesn't even involve our rights and our Constitution. Being a marine doesn't make you a protector of our rights. If you want to protect our rights, become a Congressman or try for president. That is protecting our rights.
As for the government, do you even know what it does? Do you know the system of checks and balances? Whatever our President does, the Congress can interject and they do. The Court then can override one of them or even the president. They all override each other. They can't make decisions on their own. Congress approved of our troops being sent to Iraq and Afganistan. The president can't just do that himself. He needs Congress to give him the right to first.
The police are not controlled by Congress, the Court or the President. They were doing their job. Protecting and preventing a riot is their job. Like it or not, but that is what they do. If someone oversteps their boundries, then they have the right and the permission to arrest and if necessary, punish. They were escorting him out. The airhead did wrong and was tasored and arrested for being as such, a dumbass.
If you knew anything about how our Government works, then you would know the difference between everything. Being Democrat and being Republican has nothing to do with corruption. Not everything having to do with politics is corrupt. Certain people are corrupt. You do not know what goes through the mind of a congressman. You cannot know what a person is thinking. Not all of them will change their mind for money. There are those few idiots who do, but if it's just a couple, that doesn't mean all of them are.
And if you knew anything about our government, the first amendment can be thrown away for anything demeaning. Maybe you should read your Constitution more. He was at a Democratic meeting. If he was going to be an idiot, perhaps he shouldn't have been there. If he didn't like Kerry, then don't be there. That is what is wrong with our Government. The police have to do their job because of idiots like that who think it funny to be an idiot at a rally. Asking if Kerry was in a secret Bush society has NOTHING to do with whatever Kerry was talking about. Nothing. The police had the right to escort him for causing a problem with the peace.
That's right...the police have rights, too. They're also Americans. They have a rule book. If anyone feels that someone is being offensive to someone, then they have the right to ask them to stop or even escort them away. They were not arresting him at first. They asked then escorted him to leave. That is their right. They're not hired to just stand there. They have a job to do. You want to be a marine and protect our country. They wanted to be police officers and protect the peace.
End of Logical Kayla's discussion.
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Post by GDR on Sept 22, 2007 20:35:18 GMT -5
I agree with the two up there ^^^^
ALSO...
... None of the organizations you mentioned are ruining our country. -_- As far as I'm concerned, there are a lot of things ruining our country, and, I could be broader and say there are a lot of things ruining the whole world, but Black Rights, Abuse Prevention, and Democrats are actually pretty damn constructive. But please don't indulge me on that subject, because it's a tangent, and irrelevant to the main focus, which is on some guy asking stupid questions.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 23, 2007 9:36:15 GMT -5
Could you not be a racist bastard and call out the NAACP? I would really like to keep this site. Do you even know what NAACP stands for?! Please enlighten me and tell me what they do as well because you honestly do not prove that you do by what you just said.
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Post by erebus on Sept 23, 2007 11:32:01 GMT -5
Before I start, I copied the name and the link from a news tab on AOL's homepage. I didn't dub it Police Brutality, the news editors at AOL did, and several news agencies around America.
Black Rights, Abuse Prevention, and Democrats.
First off, the NAACP was necessary in the time of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.
However, now all it does is threaten people.
My dad works for the Board of Education. I know what I am talking about, so please don't try and argue with me with what I am about to say. You aren't half as educated on the subject, I promise.
The NAACP is an organization of bullies. Black leaders and pillars of communities rally to it, and get jobs for under qualified blacks that honestly don't need the jobs. It's basically a buddy system.
They put a black in a position of power, such as management, and when they need their backs scratched, the black guy does it. I've seen it happen, and it's destroying the place where my dad works.
Secondly. MoveOn.org. Seriously. General Betrayus. Need I say more? No.
But obviously, I do. Because none of you see the relevance.
What you see on the news is not real. It is ALL propaganda. My friend's father is a mercenary in Blackwater working for the United States Government. He calls her and bitches about the media every day. Good journalists send home true stories that are warped, twisted, and footage is cut so that people will watch the news and be swayed this way or that. Good soldiers kill themselves when the people at home damn them and call them murderers, genocidal patriots that are fighting for a lost cause.
Third. Amnesty cities. Seriously? I shouldn't have to even explain my stance on these. If you harbor a criminal, it's a felony. So if you harbor people that don't exist according to United States law, what does that make you? If you give them medicare and drivers licenses without citizenship?
How do you think those terrorists were going to attack an army base?
Oh, right. Because they were living in amnesty cities.
To Kayla's post.
Perhaps you missed that college class, but I am taking it right now. I can tell you anything you want to know about the United States from the very first colonies to the ratification of the United States Constitution.
In George Washington's Farewell Address to the Union after the end of his second term, he warned America that political parties would be the downfall of our nation, a split that would change the point of politics from "For the People" to "For the power, money, and wellbeing of me."
Read it. It may be long, but it is very enlightening.
Also, regarding your first amendment statement.
The only time that the first amendment is disregarded is the following situations:
Threatening the President of the United States of America Claiming you have weapons, or that you will use said weapons on someone Talking about bombs on telephone lines
Anything of the sorts that I just mentioned are the ONLY situations in which your first amendment rights can be nullified. Maybe you should read the Constitution?
And to address your stance regarding soldiers.
Who do you think died to give you the rights and liberties you enjoy today? It was bloody and brutal warfare with the British that enabled brilliant men to write and ratify the Constitution of the United States of America. Soldiers died to give you that right.
Do you have ANY idea what September 11th was really about? It was an attack on our religion, our life-style, and the westernization of most of the modern world. It was an attack on THE VERY RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES YOU ENJOY IN EVERY. DAY. LIFE.
Why do you think we invaded Afghanistan?
It was retribution, true... but it was to ensure that the way America lived was not changed. It was done to show our enemies that we are resilient, and we will not yield. We will not be defeated. We are the United States of America, the home of the free and the land of the brave. Without an armed military force, your country wouldn't exist.
And you walk up to a fucking soldier, and you tell him he doesn't defend your freedoms or liberties, and you tell me his exact response to that statement. If you honestly feel that it's republicans, democrats, and politicians in all branches of government that protect your rights or freedoms, then you truly don't understand much about the way a country works. They might give you those freedoms, but the United States military enforces them.
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Post by GDR on Sept 23, 2007 15:42:49 GMT -5
Bah.
I'm just going to stay over in the corner with my "Can't we all just get along?" flag.
Right next to my "Fuck religion" and "Save the environment" ones.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 23, 2007 19:26:37 GMT -5
If you don't like our country, then just leave it because the only things I find wrong with it is those people like you who seem to believe that your freedom is being threatened every single day when I find that my freedom is just fine eeeeeeeeeeeeveryday.
Political parties are not ruining out nation. It's the select people in them that are the corrupted. If you want to say that me being a democrat is ruining our country, then please give me a reason as to why I'm ruining our country.
If our country was being attacked, then yes, I would feel threatened, but if you couldn't see...WE ARE NOT BEING ATTACKED! We were attacked once and somehow we didn't get the man who did it. We invaded Iraq when they were doing nothing to attack us. Afganistan didn't attack us. The last time I checked, the last wars we've been in didn't involve us to begin with. The only one we should have been involved with was World War 2 and we were.
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Post by erebus on Sept 23, 2007 19:52:03 GMT -5
Iraq threatening other nations with nuclear weaponry.
Lies, but still. They said they had them. That is fact, not fiction, nor propaganda.
Secondly.
Sometimes, the majority only means all the fucktards are on the same side.
Your freedoms are threatened every day. Your rights and liberties are under attack every waking moment.
You can thank the CIA, FBI, and various states' law enforcement teams for their excellent performances that keep you from being killed, or the things you enjoy from being stripped from you. Terrorists are captured more than you hear about, much more than you hear about. Plans are stopped in time, and you will never hear about it, ever. Thats how America keeps her people pacified.
If you ever want to go toe to toe about any of your views seriously, let me know. I'll even let you research your topics of choice before we go at it.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 23, 2007 19:58:22 GMT -5
If my liberties are being threatened right now...RIGHT NOW...I would love to know how because I'm on here. I'm talking to Katey on the phone. I'm watching football. How is my liberites being threatened?
I'm going to work. I work for a living to support myself. I talk to my friends. I go out. How is my liberties being threatened?
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Post by GDR on Sept 23, 2007 20:08:32 GMT -5
... "Iraq" didn't do anything. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, and he made a nice pretty media target for the Bush administration to shoot at. They were obviously trying to glorify themselves, and they fell flat on their asses, and, now, they're trying to play like they meant to do that. But to say that he's the only one who's ever thrown around a nuclear slur is stupid. Moreover, Iraq just turned into a recruiting arm for terrorist groups, because, as far as they are concerned, we invaded them with no proof. Really, we did. We had no intelligence that stated that Iraq had WMD's.
And, moreover, "Iraq" today isn't even a country. It's a sectarian battlefield.
And I really honestly don't think our liberties are being threatened. I like what the CIA and FBI are doing and all, but that's what they are supposed to do. The reason the media pays attention to the fuck-ups is because the failed terrorist attempts aren't what affects us -- it's the ones that succeed.
So it's good that they do their jobs so I can do mine, but what more do you want me to do about it? This is about some guy who was stupid enough to play a test of willpower with the security.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 23, 2007 22:28:16 GMT -5
Agreed with John.
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Post by erebus on Sept 24, 2007 5:14:44 GMT -5
-Chuckles-
Isn't ignorance bliss?
"Iraq didn't do anything"
Except become a cesspool that bred terrorists instead of diseases. Or maybe terrorism is a disease?
Apparently, genocide and religious cleansing doesn't mean much to anyone on the site? Or the fact that he was threatening other countries with nuclear weapons, and quite possibly had the technology to have actually made them. Research, people. Research. Do it, then argue.
Iraq is not a giant battlefield. I hate to break it to you, but thats propaganda. I know several soldiers over there, and as stated a friend whose father is a mercenary. They are maintaining peace, and while there are occasional "acts of terror," these are committed by people, not terrorists. For example.
An Iraqi woman and her son were killed after tipping the Army that her neighbor was making homemade mines to blow up a convoy of food and meds. Turns outs, he had buried more than one.
Do you realize how much safer the Iraqi people feel? Of course not. You watch CNN, and sip your cokes, and work to support yourselves, and watch football.
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Post by afr on Sept 24, 2007 6:49:49 GMT -5
Is this conversation still going on?...
instead of wasting time debating who did what... put some constructive things up for the RP... or how bout both... I know kayla does, but you other two talk big game about the site being shit and don't do a whole lot to make it better.
This ranting back and forth is cute, but not accomplishing a damn thing. We have the two most stubborn people of the east coast trying to convince the other that they are wrong... quit while you two are ahead, or behind and RP. This debate is going nowhere as fast as a tree in a 100 meter dash. Both of your "I know more than everyone" attitudes will get you nowhere with eachother... we know this.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Sept 24, 2007 9:44:53 GMT -5
How about this Garrett, if everything is so shitty, why don't you do something about it?
Honestly, bitching about it isn't going to do anything and arguing with you about how retarded politics are is stupid. We should get out of Iraq because we had no business there in the first place. And by your logic, shouldn't we be in North Korea too? They've got nuclear bombs and are firing them. We know they do.
Honestly, you bitching about this and everything else you bitch about is pointless because you honestly don't do anything to attempt to change them or make them better. Mike is right. Either GTFO this site or RP because you bitching about how no one RPs is annoying.
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Post by erebus on Sept 24, 2007 14:23:05 GMT -5
When you put my options so simply, alright.
First, however, let me say.
I was doing something about it. Hence the message I posted. Not only does it get your mind flowing, and your opinions riled up, it makes people THINK. And secondly, read the fucking message.
I write my congressman. I thank soldiers when I see them. I read, and I educate myself on hot topics so that when I do get out of the Marines, I can do more than just write letters and spar with Senators and Congressmen.
But back to my initial statement.
This is the most posting the Shadow Clan has seen in a few weeks. Neither one of you are in any sort of position of power to suggest I do anything or go anywhere. This is a place for me to post my opinions, and I posted them. Period.
If I choose to post here and to not RP, thats my choice to make. Not either of yours.
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Post by erebus on Sept 24, 2007 14:23:35 GMT -5
You might ask me "If you care so much, why not get involved?"
I am involved. I write letters to Congressmen, I forward emails to stop amnesty bills and other things I feel detrimental to the United States of America. When I get out of the Marine Corps, I pray to God I will have enough standing and respect to get involved in real politics.
Direct quote from my original post. Read before you tell me what to do, kthx.
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Post by afr on Sept 24, 2007 15:05:27 GMT -5
If that's your attitude then why should any of us care... you are the self proclaimed poster child of the SC, remember... this is your sc, drowning in a pool of it's own piss. So long ago you beat your chest and proudly proclaimed how it was yours... now that it's on it's last leg you've abandoned it pretty quick... good to know where you stand. Quick to judge but not to act to save your self-proclaimed RP. Your lack of care to fight for what you call family and people you've claimed to love is sickening. There is alot that could be done to save this thing... waiting until it festers and dies isn't going to fucking solve any of it's problems. Bringing up shit like this isn't going to make people come back to RP. We need to do that, not stir up a political debate.
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Post by erebus on Sept 24, 2007 18:15:28 GMT -5
Eat my ass.
I didn't abandon the Clan. And back when it was worth claiming, and even when it wasn't, you are damn right I claimed it.
But the family that I claimed it for has dissolved. Yeah, it's drowning in a pool of piss... but not all of that is mine.
And by God, until people fess up to the cesspool they've made, the Clan can sit here and get dusty.
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Post by afr on Sept 24, 2007 18:54:23 GMT -5
If you aren't going to do your part in bringing it back, who the fuck else should? I will do my part, if you won't help then your part of this family means jack shit. If you won't work for it at it's lowest time then you had no right being part of it during it's finest. This family's future is in YOUR hands too. This site's future is in all of our hands. Rise up and fight for something you CAN change right now. Be the fucking leader you claim to be and I will have your back. If you fold on the Clan... it may as well be doomed.
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