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Post by paperflowers on Jul 30, 2007 23:49:34 GMT -5
Look, I am not writing this to make anyone mad. Because right now I am seriously hurt. Some people missed a memo somewhere and I am here to set things straight.
After everyone left the old site, Nami and her friend and I stayed, as well as Adam for a while. We weren't mad. Just kinda confused as to why everyone left. So Nami and her friend started a new random RP of theirs. Since we have all left now (including me). Nami wanted to save their stuff, and possibly use the site. She talked to Kat and John and apparently (as far as I know) they said it was fine.
Nami DID send out an email. Apparently it didn't work for everyone, as I didn't get one, but Tor did. That is why Nami sent out the message through Kat and I.
Let me make one thing clear. Her one week thing, that was to see if anyone was interested in the old posts, as no one has shown any interest in them of late. She is not going to delete it all. I wouldn't let her. You think the past 3 years of my life have meant nothing to me? You think I am that cold? Nami cares about me, and respects my wishes, and all of your wishes enough to keep everything as long as people want it there.
So why attack her? And most of all, why attack me? I had and have nothing to do with this. I have asked Nami to keep everything and she is. In fact she decided to do this because she remembered how upset I was last year when my old account was deleted from the first site. A lot of it meant a lot to me. She didn't want to do that to anyone.
How dare people attack her for trying to not repeat mistakes?
And how dare people attack me when I had nothing to do with this? She said she would keep it all for me. And then you scream about me behind my back.
I thought we weren't going to do this anymore. I thought we were going to get the whole story before accusing people. This is how we ended up destroyed last time.
Oh and to quote:
Directed at Nami: "I care more then you'll ever understand to know. You were not apart of the SC."
-A. She does know how much we care. Because she knows how much I care. -B. And she was made a part of the Shadow Clan before everyone left.
"I can't help but feel, that this is done out of spite and malice.. because you guys weren't notified (by accident, i'm sure) of us moving to the new site, so this is your method (so to speak) of lashing out against us.
I'd never expect this from a nice person like PF..."
Thanks for talking about me behind my back. And lumping me in with something I never had a part of. Why would Nami want to lash out at you? She wanted that site for a RP she created with a friend. She had no interest in deleting anything of ours that we wanted. And revenge? How ridiculous! We are NOT people to stoop to revenge. And, for your knowledge, a few people have already apologized to us for forgetting us for a while. And that is an issue that is over and dealt with.
I know there was a lot more said. But those are the quotes I felt that needed to be replied to by me.
So to sum it up, only a few people knew the whole story. And a lot more people got hurt in the long run. So please, next time, get the whole story. Thank you
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Post by Achtung Katie™ on Jul 30, 2007 23:52:43 GMT -5
blah, blah, blah, I agree with Sam, none of this is her fault, big shitstorm, blah, blah
WORKING ON IT SWEAR TO GOD OMFG SLEEP x.x dear JESUS
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 0:31:06 GMT -5
Sam, don't you think you're being a bit rude to everyone. Some of us did not attack Nami, but the way her and her friend were saying shit, it was like they were going to delete shit.
No one talked about you behing your back. We didn't know that you had nothing to do with it. Don't you think you're over-reacting?! I guarentee that Cinzia will and probably has appologized.
And as for the SC thing...Nami is not over here nor did she RP with all of us. So as far as I see it, she is not a member of the SC. I'm sorry. She may be your best friend. That doesn't make her mine.
I don't think you have the right to bitch on this site about everything that is going on over there. You could have done it over there. Honestly. What good is this thread even doing? Being rude and disrespectful to some of us who did not know what was going on is immature and rude.
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Post by paperflowers on Jul 31, 2007 0:37:42 GMT -5
I do not expect you to be best friends with Nami, but I do expect to not have people jumping to conclusions about things. I also do not expect to have a Battle Royale going on.
This is posted on this site because I felt things needed to be cleared up. As you said this involves the whole Shadow Clan. And this is the Shadow Clan's site. I spoke with Kat and she agrees with me that this was not executed in the best manner. I know Cinzia is a very kind and level headed person, I did not write this for an apology, she had every right to believe what she did. As did you.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 0:39:23 GMT -5
But you did it in a rude way.
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Post by Achtung Katie™ on Jul 31, 2007 8:45:29 GMT -5
No, she didn't. How EVERYBODY ELSE jumped to the conclusion that she was somehow involved in this, was very, very rude. Sam has every right, and all my backing in going through with this, because otherwise, who would know?
This entire thing is a bad case of let's jump from one conclusion to the next YAY!
Me and John jumped to the conclusion that NOBODY CARED ABOUT THE SITE. A very very valid one, in our case, because nobody has mentioned it in the past six months. We are not mind readers, and there is NO WAY that we could've known. If we had, maybe this all could've been avoided. But it wasn't, so now we're doing this.
Kayla, Mike and Cinzia ALL jumped to the conclusion that Sam was somehow involved in this, which was entirely not fair to Sam. If anybody knows Sam, even just a little bit, then they would know that she would not allow the SC threads to go without a fight. Everybody, and anybody who has an IQ of over 20 should be able to figure that part out, with no problem.
In this case, I think a bunch of apologies are due, on MANY sides, mine included. So I am sorry that I told Nami that we didn't care about the site anymore, and next time something like this comes up, I'll be sure to ask around first.
And Kayla, I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally think you're the last person to talk about being rude here. I love you, incredibly much, but I mean really >.>
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Post by Affinity on Jul 31, 2007 10:11:18 GMT -5
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kat ...wow...jump to conclusions no I read that post word for word and all I did was address that fact that it was a bit unexpected ...I was upset...and that I was irate and unwilling to save (copy and paste) EVERYTHING I never pointed fingers I told both of them NOT JUST SAM but Nami also that I was dissappointed in them.
And no Kayla I did not apologize nor shall I for what I said.
Kthnx
<3 Cinz
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Post by midori on Jul 31, 2007 11:41:34 GMT -5
*raises hand* Might I at least input my own words in my defense? xD I'm Nami's friend, and I do have a name. Midori'll do for me.
Anyway, I'd like to point out that I was surprised, actually...surprised that the first reaction we got was 'What the fucking hell happened?' I suppose I shouldn't have expected a surprise, after a bit of observing and getting to know who was who. But still....
...the board had been inactive for nearly half a year, save Adam, Sam, Nami, and I carrying on a couple of threads. Eventually it was just Nami and I. Figuring that no one wanted the place anymore, as everyone had moved and no one had posted on the other board for months, Nami and I asked if we might be granted ownership so that we could save our one thread and continue to rp in it (which if you'll notice, is still being updated.)
After negotiating, we've come up with a simple solution to people having continued access to the archives. We didn't seek to 'lash out' at anyone by deleting the old boards; we just assumed no one cared about them anymore because they'd been left dead for months. Yes, we may have handled the situation rashly, but when the first reactions we got were people yelling at us over some boards that seemed to us to be discarded, well...I was quite taken aback.
Yes, Katja is right...so much jumping to conclusions. But now that we've figured out what everyone wants, it's all good now. I only wish that that could have been done in the first place, rather than everyone jumping up all at the same time...and throwing things at one another. x.@
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Post by Bitter Suite on Jul 31, 2007 13:07:44 GMT -5
Not to be rude....
but...
No one from the SC posts at ETS (Enter the shadows) the first shadow clan site, save a few people (Kayla, Meghan(I think) and Paula) but she doesn't "Assume" that we don't care about the threads there, and make a motion to delete them..
and her the SC hasn't been to her site since 2 years ago (might have been more/less)
So excuse us for jumping to conclusions.. but when a years worth of events threatens to get deleted, people tend to get hostile.
And..
As to me thinking it was out of malice.. please excuse me, but the way nami and her friend were posting.. and the wording they were using, seemed a bit sarcastic, no?
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Post by Achtung Katie™ on Jul 31, 2007 14:02:10 GMT -5
ETS is an entirely different story. There are many way important things that happened there, and it was pretty much our home. AND, FYI Shadow, she did delete things, namely everyones account. I, and Sam, had PMs that we were hoping to save. So yes, motions to delete things like that were made.
ETS2 was...nothing. We didn't do any amazing storylines there, we didn't have any super memorable moments...it wasn't all that impressive, to tell the truth. So...
I think they had a bit of a right to be somewhat sarcastic, we stormed in there with absolutely no warning, and started yelling about it. If somebody did that here, I'm sure we'd be much less cordial than they were, and we probably would've banned and deleted them on sight.
And Cinzia, you assumed Sam had something to do with it, because she's Nami's friend. That's pointing fingers, and that's not fair to anybody involved in this. I'm not saying 'omg horrible person!11!' but it's true >.>
>< Jesus Christ, this is such a huge kerfuffle. I'm not trying to make anybody out to be the bad guy, and I'm not trying to take sides, before somebody else gets on my case.
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Post by midori on Jul 31, 2007 14:03:22 GMT -5
Well, in that case, it was all assumption. I already said that.
I have a NAME. Midori. Not 'Nami's friend.'
Either way, we've already established that, yes, you still want your threads. That's been taken care of. We're not deleting them. It was a stupid idea on my part, I guess, since it seems a half a year's worth of inactivity doesn't mean the site's been abandoned. Because anyone who 'isn't part of the SC' (as the title someone so bestowed upon me) would not have known that.
For the love of God, I apologize. I would think ANYONE not part of your inner circle would have seen it as I had seen it.
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Post by Achtung Katie™ on Jul 31, 2007 14:10:02 GMT -5
x.x You have to be retarded like us to really understand what it's like to be retarded by us.
S'okay though, we still love you outsiders =D
<.< Or at least I do.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 15:38:44 GMT -5
I NEVER SAID THAT SAM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMFG!!!
Well...I didn't know Cinzia, but I was trying to get the heat off of ya. Sorry for being nice.
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Post by Achtung Katie™ on Jul 31, 2007 15:42:58 GMT -5
x.x well it was REALLY late, and apparently I mis-read. So I apologize for that too.
Can this blow-over yet, or what? D:
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -5
I'm already done with it and stoof.
D: I was just offended that ya'll think I blamed Sam! << I blamed mostly John. v.v Sorry, John. <3
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Post by Affinity on Jul 31, 2007 19:58:02 GMT -5
I am tired of being seen as the girl who ALWAYS apologizes so I took offense to that kayla my bad.
BUT
I am 100% sure that Nami didnt just go well hey I am going to change the site and everything and NOT inform Sam being so Sam did have something to do with it. Kat...people will point fingers call it whatever you want but I never Pointed a ginfer directly at her!
Read what I wrote tell me where and explain How and why that was POINTING finger at SAM ....
I agree with kayla in the fact that I blame John more than anyone
so the site was empty and no one but them ever went there...doesnt mean its trash or worthless to us...I still checked on it time and again and myself and Amanda tried to rekindle our RP there without luck.
anyways before I go all crazy bitch because my fuse that was once like 487568263587246 feet long has burned to about 4 and I dont wanna blow im gunna end this.
kthnx
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Post by GDR on Jul 31, 2007 20:28:01 GMT -5
Okay, okay, fine, my word, since it all seems to be slowly coming back to me.
I gave permission for Nami to use the site because, I had absolutely no reason to believe that anyone except Nami and Midori were using it anyway. I didn't think it was "trash" or "worthless" per se, but I didn't think it was the crown jewel of our existence either. Nobody ever said anything to it about me, it had boards that hadn't been answered since 2006, and I have never been given any reason to think it meant anything to anybody. When Nami asked, I checked the board, and indeed, she and Midori were the only ones really doing anything at all. So I agreed, and since I didn't want to get bothered constantly (in lieu of Dimitri with this site) I just gave her my account. Keeping in mind, this was MY account to give. I deleted all of my PM's, which I saved every one of, because I knew that I was done with them and I had said my peace. I knew other peoples' accounts would be safe, or at least I assumed they would be, because I knew Sam would never want it and Nami isn't that mean. So that saved the PMs. And I HOPED (or perhaps assumed) she would save our RP posts. At the same time, I felt like it was stupid to just let it sit there and stagnate (which is apparently what Cinzia wants it to do -.- ) so I decided to give it to someone who wanted to use it or had an idea, because I didn't. And, if they put weird pictures and made it a J-Pop fansite or whatever O.O Sobeit. It's not my site anymore.
So imagine my surprise when Kayla tells me that they're going to delete all of our posts. -_- Oh, wow, this is all going to fall on my head, I can tell. After she yells at me for a while, Cinzia tells me she hates me, Amanda told me to talk to her, and Corie tells me that the only thing controlling this is me, I decided that I was going to have to dodge the pitchforks by talking to Nami -_- Which I never got to do. I never caught her. I was pissed to hell, because this wasn't what I wanted.
Now, they're not, which is even more annoying to me, not because they didn't but because they told us they would and then didn't. >.< That's not fair to Kayla, Mike2, and the other people that had to worry about salvaging the RP posts. It's also not fair to me, who had to endure all this shit about giving away the site and losing the posts for nothing. That's my major gripe -- And Cinzia, you're trying to be all tough, and the truth is, this would probably be the time to apologize, because the only one that did anything wrong is Nami, by telling everyone that she was going to delete the RP, and yourself for not accepting the fact that the RP is dead.
Sam has nothing to do with this at all. -_- Cinzia, Nami can think for herself, kaythanks. Even if she told Sam, it wouldn't mean that Sam masterminded everything. You found out too, and no differently than Sam did, so I don't think Sam is any more guilty than you are.
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 20:30:10 GMT -5
Yeah...we're gonna end this topic now. No more responding. It's getting to the point of people being rude and showing a lot of disrespect toward each other in a giant misunderstanding that has been solved.
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Post by Affinity on Jul 31, 2007 20:31:10 GMT -5
O.M.G
...Fuck u fuck this site ban me im done
4 ft just gone
I am fucking sick of this ...sick of misinterpretation and fucking DONE
thanks for all the good times and then thanks for these 'excellent' ones
Cinzia
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Post by Karma Kayla!! on Jul 31, 2007 20:32:59 GMT -5
Yeah. Done.
And Cinzia, if you want to be like that, then do go because fighting is the thing that tears this place apart. I know that I'm part of the problem, but you going around blaming people that had nothing to do with the problem in the first place is rude and immature.
And if you respond to this, I will ask Corie and Kyle to ban you.
DO NOT CONTINUE ON WITH THE TOPIC PLEASE!!!
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